Authorities said they have no evidence that Jerome had cancer or was dying. Said's defense attorney said he will be filing a notice to appeal. The fact that Jerome was gay was left out of the trial altogether. The police considered the possibility that Joann ran away, a theory disputed by her family. Re Sells, the problem viz some serial killers is in exaggerating the number as a badge of honour. The article also notes that most inmates earn around 19 cent an hour at their jobs and must pay $5 each time they need medical attention or medicine. The longer it took to find the bodies the easier it would be for her alibis to be believed as it wouldve been harder for people to remember if she was at a dance class etc that she regularly attended on that specific date. 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A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. But unfortunately other than God only two people know exactly what really happened and one is not alive. Just saying. Still, no good leads materialized. It was just assumed to be crib death. Even if there were some minor flaws or discrepancies in the investigation, thats normal. Have you read the book? But defense lawyer Robert Pfeiffer said that plenty of evidence supported Patricias innocence. Later, they both worked 12-hour graveyard shifts at a textile factory. Shes being well taken care of.. Search is on. This response of yours neatly sums up your dogmatic view of her guilt despite so much evidence to the contrary. Your comment could not be farther than the truth! Aside from the hair, there was almost zero forensic evidence. FBI agents watched them deliver grocery bags to the house and then followed them to a shopping center in Southlake where they dumped trash from the home, prosecutors said. ), And in another bombshell, Joanns good friend Karen Devine said Joann planned to leave Andrew after the holidays. "Justice would have been the Irving Police Department doing their job," defense attorney Joe Patton said during closing arguments. Yassein and Islam Said later helped hide Yaser Said in a home in Justin. Perhaps that would lessen your fright. After the guilty verdict was pronounced, the defense learned that a report from a state psychologist was not given to the jury. All that remains is the conclusion of an appeal that Prue's husband Allen Prue has made to the Vermont Supreme Court following his October conviction in Jenkins' murder. A Pittsburgh-area woman missing for over 30 years and declared legally dead several years ago has been found alive in Puerto Rico, authorities in Pennsylvania said on Thursday. ), The Wrong Man investigators Ira Todd and Joe Kennedy have some theories of their own. By clicking Sign Up, I confirmthat I have read and agreeto the Privacy Policy and Terms of Service. Carter can be reached at ccarter6@gmail.com. After her arraignment, she had to walk past a crowd of dozens of locals screeching hang her! and baby killer! Patricia clung to a Polaroid picture showing her and her own little girl. no blood, no finger-prints and no soil evidence it was as if the car had been wiped clean stated the attending investigating police officer!That itself has to be considered highly suspicious and cast doubt on the hair evidence which WAS found. It took jurors about three hours to convict Said for the deaths of his daughters Amina and Sarah in 2008. But in October 1998, the LAPD established a cold case task force and reopened the murder case 17 years after Jerome Scotts death. Inside the locked 1992 vehicle, police discovered some strands of blond hair stained with dried blood. Watching Reasonable Doubt right now hope they also find that she did it. Its never been made clear. Cops under pressure will lie to close a case. 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But hang on You ask that I show care with my wording and show all the tolerance in the world, and by that you presumably mean I should simply ignore those who villify her in the most disgraceful way, probably in the opinion that all readers of their comments will agree, and no one is going to take offence! (We didnt get into the specifics.). Hardly an argument, more a figment of your overconfidence in your opinion. It cost me a lot of money, I even put advertisements in the paper down in Puerto Rico looking for her.. She made Joanne kill the baby PLEASE. Some people are just monsters. Why? Forensic tests suggested the hair found in the car and at the murder scene came from Patricia. Police slowly built a case against Patricia. Irving Police Chief Jeff Spivey hailed authorities for pursuing justice in the case for more than a decade. In 1981, Patricia Wrights second husband, Willie Jerome Scott, was found stabbed to death in his mobile home park in Los Angeles. Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? neither her nor there couldnt be linked to her. For goodness sake, it was never proved at her trial she used the gun the police so steadfastly offered as evidence or for that matter, ANY OTHER GUN. She should have been treated exactly the way she treated that mother and baby, taken out into the woods, shot, beaten and then left to die. On a secret recording, Patricia asked Jarrett to vouch for her attendance or she might go to the electric char. Ten months after Joann died he murdered another woman (who looks just like her) and her baby, as well. It fails to mention the car was totally clean of any other forensic residue. His father confirmed his alibi that they were doing construction work together, putting an addition on the house of friends Tom and Kathy Holschwander, at the time of Joanns disappearance. Incriminating words. Detective Barry Grube found it odd that Andrew fixed the severed phone line before police examined it in essence tampering with evidence. She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! Stop. More than 20 years after her conviction, Patricia Rorrer still has advocates working to exonerate her. The Dallas County jury returned a guilty verdict on Tuesday following about three hours of deliberations at the end of the six-day trial. She failed miserably to convince me, or anyone else who mattered, of her innocence. The authorities charged her with two counts of murder. Sorry not sorry. Another inaccuracy in this is, they state the jury took SIX HOURS to return a verdict, when in fact it took less than TWO HOURS. It seems so, according to you. At the states request, the instructor wore a wire during a phone conversation with Patricia. The District Attorney got this one right. First it was winter, cold temperatures preserve bodies for significantly longer periods. That is not just a circumstantial case, that is both circumstantial and forensic, and it is pretty air tight. I really never thought of it again.. Police identified the pair as Joann and Alex Katrinak. On closer inspection, he saw it was the body of a woman. Trash-talking ex. His defense team raised concerns about what they considered a lack of evidence during closing arguments. In one entry, she writes that she has plans for people who have messed with her, and that "people will be surprised of what she is capable of," Caledonia County State's Attorney Lisa Warren said. Jealousy was the motive. He had worked as a semi-pro boxer in Las Vegas in his youth and later settled into his own construction business. How so? They were people that knew her, not Andrew. This woman was obsessed and jealous. In recent years, she began to share key details about her past life in Pittsburgh to nursing home staff that led And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! Just one example. Joann was fun, likable, beautiful, always happy, said her sister-in-law Cindy Wiard. She should have received the death penalty imo. It was her father, Yaser Said who committed the crime of killing his two innocent teen daughters. And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. Both were deceased. Bully for you if youve read a lot and seen a lot: its meaningless to other posters and adds nothing to your argument for innocence. WebThe prosecution said Patricia wanted Jeromes $30,000 life insurance policy. Before receiving her final sentence, Patricia Prue, 35, of Waterford addressed the court saying that her biggest regret was not seeking help for her mental health issues earlier. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? A lot of these documentaries feature most of the theories suggested by the cops and prosecution which were most damaging to her case, but not a single person to substantiate Rorrers side, or to challenge their versions. That poor child and that poor woman. The girls mother, Patricia Said, fled with both girls in the week before their killings because she was in great fear of her life, police said. Rorrer is as guilty as OJ Simpson. The Common Sense Guy you should put yourself on top of the list of deluded people. At one point Interpol had an extremely similar case in which an individual convinced a friend, who had been his sexual partner several times in the past, to kill the woman he had a baby with, on the grounds that the child is not his and he does not love her but cannot leave because everyone would accuse him of abandoning his child and his family name would be affected. Marsicovetere cited studies done by several doctors during pretrial proceedings, saying that they determined Patricia Prue suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder and might suffer from dissociative identity disorder as well. Suzanne Pearson fabricated quotes from Patricia including her claim that Patricia said, Im going to the electric chair upon her arrest because a conviction would boost Pearsons career. The hearing of the motion for reduction of felony to misdemeanor will be held Tuesday, Oct. 11, at 1:30 p.m. in the Riverside Courthouse at 4050 Main St. in Department 42. Locked up. Let her rot like she left Joan and that INNOCENT baby Alex. Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. Patricias defenders also say Andrew Katrinak staged the scene at his house by prying the door and cutting the phone line. From my point of view, the American police investigations are first hand, and often very poorly done, Ive only seen worse in the British police, which is paradoxical given the laudatory talent of both nationalities, but it is a Scandinavian saying: bigger the mouth, smaller the facts. Unfortunately for Joanne this psycho took it badly. Or did they? CHOOSE1 Three Strikes Reform Act needs 365,880 signatures by June 1: Volunteer today! Browns downtown Los Angeles office demanding that he grant Patricia Wright clemency. "Most of the community feels bad for the child To see that in the United States bugs me. WebShe is as guilty as her husbandshe KNEW that her husband would kill these girlsshe even STATED that he would kill the girlsand yet she lied to them to get them to return to Texas Because of these two prior offences, Patricia was sentenced to life in prison without possibility of parole under Californias Three Strikes Law. So much of it, it would take all day to elaborate here. Senate Bill 1399, the compassionate release bill signed into law a year ago, allows prisoners who are permanently and medically incapacitated to be released from prison and into the care of family and caretakers. Nope. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. Black said she was glad Said took the witness stand, giving her the chance to poke holes in his story, exposing him to everyone who has been watching this case. I cant lose them, he told the media. Looking at the pictures of the scene, after 4 months of the bodies being there allegedly, they were untouched? Youre right about my comments on other sites, but those seem to have an abundance of hate-mongers who feel no need to mince their words hence my retorts to those. Hoist by your own petard. According to William G. Kelley, director of the Law Offices of the Orange County Associate Defender, Patricia did not receive a fair trial. Great communicator. You started slinging insults, then got insulted when slung back. Why would she say that maybe she wasnt really a good friend, just someone trying to inject herself into a super sensational case. 8/9/2022 Yaser Said was convicted of capital murder Tuesday in the 2008 fatal shootings of his two teenage daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said. According to court documents, Patricia Owens, the victims mother and Saids former wife, told authorities that her son and Yaser Saids brothers indicated support for the killings and were not cooperative with law enforcement. He said she did own a firearm, with its serial numbers filed off. Jenkins at one time had hired Allen Prue to plow her driveway. Thats because they knew it was a stretch to make anyone believe she would still be so enraged a week and a day later that she jumped into a van and drove 550 miles to kill a woman and baby she never met. Keep her murdering ass locked up!!! Amina Said's mother Patricia Owens Said was not charged with murder. She embraced spontaneity and diligence. Her jealousy and rage because Joann told her to not contact her husband set her off. In TV clips, Andrew didnt come off as anguished. That, as well as measurements of the babys head (revealing the infant to be of a more advanced age) very much suggest they were killed some considerable time after what was believed at her trial. Dame Patricia said she was "deeply saddened" to hear of her former co-star's death. The hair evidence is not compelling because theres a very good possibility that the evidence was compromised. How do you know this woman wasnt obsessed with him and wanted his wife out of the way? Catherine Im in complete agreement with you! Your pathetic attempt to insult not only shows a not very original comment, but clearly displays a lack of intelligence. Just as there is no such thing as the perfect murder, there is also no such thing as the perfect murder investigation. Or the fact the one of those officers heard her make this statement at the time of her arrest and not the other. But I agree with a recent comment.. Why not do a paternity case so just that is done and out of the way. Read the crime and public safety news your neighbors are talking about. How about the mix up with the hair and the fact that it was not forensically tested (outside of the one man who compared the hairs through naked eye). This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. I was so excited that I called everyone, and Joanne picked up the phone and she said Andy is married, and I said I know, then she said we have a baby, and I said yea I know, then she said dont ever call here again. Another thing that stumps me is Joannes supposed good friend who said that Joanne told her she was leaving Andrew. So you see, MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. Theres also the matter of a woman who suddenly remembered she saw Joann with another man at a Food Mart store five days after the disappearance. Very soon after, the original hairs (in glass slides) were sent to the FBI again. A correction to the comment above. Too bad she got off with just a life sentence. It makes me sick. Or the ME and the entomologist that explained how impossible it would be for that baby and mother to be out there for four months, deceased at that, and still be as intact as they were, and the fact that the baby was double the size of a three month old child. Patricia Wrights brother, Larry Wright, 47, and her neighbor, Janet Marcelin, 55, both testified that Patricia Wright and Lawrence Slaughter committed the murder but recanted their testimony after Patricia was sentenced to life without possibility of parole. Unlike most people who stayed on the streets all day, she maintained a neat, attractive appearance, wearing makeup and a dress or skirt each day. So where they alive somewhere, and if so how could of Patricia, who was questioned, with not one mark on her kill them? DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. At 10:30 p.m., Andrew reported his wife missing. Patricia Cole, a veteran copy editor whose sharp eye, quick wit and kind heart made her a cherished colleague at NPR and other news outlets, died on Friday at age 46, Remember, killers have the advantage over investigators. The fact that Joanne was found with a hair clutched in her hand that was inconsistent with both her and Patricia (that they conveniently didnt bother to test). He took two tests and there was deception detected in BOTH. His defenders claimed that the confession was coerced, the video was grainy/unclear or doctored and the witness was confused and/or unreliable. At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. Women murder for all kinds of reasons, but the simple facts come down to this.there was physical evidence, the bullet wound matched that of the gun Pat owned, the hairs were Pats and at both scenes, and she had no alibi and she had lied to try and come up with one.and lets not forget the damning words she spoke to her 18 month old daughter that the officer had the common sense to document. I expect she will admit it one day. Fact is she wasnt and all of her alibis were proven to be lies. Sadly, those who defend Rorrer do not want to be confused by the truth. Im sorry for the distress this awful business must have caused. He gave an audio interview to the Wrong Man investigators when they made a surprise visit to his house, but he declined to appear on camera. I dont think she was ever scared until we put the cuffs on her.. She is right where she belongs for now until she meets satan in the fury of hell. Youre clutching at straws Im afraid. This was a horrible and brutal double murder and whoever did it needs to be locked up forever. Yaser Said is accused of killing his two daughters in 2008. I most definitely will not personally afford Patricia a platform, Michael said in an email to ForensicFilesNow.com She had her chance to answer my questions and tell her story in court over 20 years ago. We lived close to one another. The organization purports that if there were awards for distorted reporting, the Morning Callwould win high honors.. All 3 of her alibis were lies, DNA tied her to the murder, there was no sexual assault, she had a violent past, was obsessed with Andy, and was caught lying about owning a gun, which coincidentally jammed after firing once and shell cases were found on her property. Pat is locked in a cage because shes an animal. The Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Networks website also points to a bombshell: In 2015, the Justice Department acknowledged that most of the team members from an FBI microscopic hair comparison unit gave prosecutors flawed data from 1980 to 2000 that could have unjustly contributed to a number convictions including Patricia Rorrers. Exactly If you so dearly feel the need to occupy the high ground in debate or an argument, have the decency to quote accurately. Re Routier, the claim that she inflicted a potentially fatal injury on herself by no means indicates another perp: she could have inflicted it in ignorance, as a suicide attempt, or in a semi-psychotic state. No Jail Time for Former Corrections Officer and Friend Who Together Breached the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6. They moved into her house in Salisbury County, staying together for about two years. On Alexs diaper bag, police found strands of the same type of hair from the car. The sisters, who were students at Lewisville High School, were found dead in their fathers taxi in Irving. And the obvious answer is that the makers too think the evidence is against her. As for him, yes, it looks like the first suspect, but if he had alibis, quite hard to accuse of actually doing it, and I understand it was a pretty solid one. Sir I would not kill somebody and I definitely wouldnt kill somebody I never met, Rorrer said. Your email address will not be published. Charles Robert, the 3-month-old son she had with Gary Gabard, died of sudden infant death syndrome; Patricia found him blue in his crib. No way for 4 months, that deceased baby would still be resting across the mothers chest. There are a number of issues in the case, Kelley said in a letter to his associate, Christopher Darden, including the competency of counsel, prosecutorial misconduct and, of course, compelling legal error by the court.. Whats worse is that shes innocent. A newspaper account described Patricia as a soft-spoken, demure woman who had a sweet Southern accent and wore feminine clothes in court. None. Unless theres a complicity between him and her, and the reason she didnt divulge it is because she hopes to put all the blame on him, when she was the one to murder and he was a planner. I think shes guilty for sure. And last but not least, the fact that Michael McIntyre comes across as mentally unstable. Theres speculation and theres lies period. It was like living in your room and getting to go to your kitchen for one hour a day, remembers Larry Wright. Mal told Keith Morrison that Patricias dance teacher originally confirmed her alibi that she was in class on the day of the murder, then changed his mind. Today, Patricia Lynne Rorrer resides in State Correctional Institute at Muncy, a medium and maximum security facility that has the highest rate of cancer of all prisons in Pennsylvania, according to a story from northcentralpa.com. In addition to the Facebook page, there are Reddit threads on her case. In your future life in prison I trust that not a day goes by in which you won't revisit your crime.". A Dallas jury unanimously found Yaser Said guilty of killing his two teen daughters on Tuesday. Mr Freeman, Why are youre rude about others who disagree with your OPINION (including jury and appeal judges)? In 1995, Larry Wright was facing a 10-year sentence for two felonies, risk of an injury to a minor and violating a restraining order, and a misdemeanor for threatening by saying, Im going to kill you, to his wife after he caught her cheating. Its been going on for almost 31 years, the distraught man explained. Why would somebody tell you, theyre going to fry me, if they didnt do it? Jarrett told Wrong Man. (even though hes married and has a baby) Who does that?!! Said tried to blame the FBI for not searching for an unknown person, he said, was the real killer. Its barely visible in the picture. Patricia made daily phone calls every day but made no calls at all the day before, of and after Joannes murder as she was traveling and knew her phone could track her location. Gail Gattrell, the sisters great-aunt, described the deaths as an honor killing which are often carried about by a relative who believes a woman went against conservative Islamic values on love or marriage. There is a term in law called balance of probabilities, which basically means that guilt is assigned when there is a preponderance of evidence that would lead a rational person to conclude that the person did it. I live in Pennsylvania, not far from where this happened. Patricia Owens called her ex-husband Yaser Said the devil for allegedly murdering their two daughters at his trial in Dallas on Aug. 4, 2022. But thats just some of the ammo on Team Patricias battleship. Also why if beaten with a gun or with whatever, why was there no blood on the clothing? Calling her ex because she just likes to stay in touch w peopleLOL! However, my curiosity is piqued as to why Andrews mother didnt report the missing daughter in law, Joanne and her own grandson Alex! And the fact that Patricia called Andrew even after he married someone else didnt mean she was still carrying a torch for him, according to one of her friends. And in a piece of salacious testimony, Patricia Rorrers half sister, Sandra Ireland, said that in May 1995, about six months after the murder, their mother, Patricia Chambers, stopped by the house and asked her to hold onto or hide a gun, or both. WOW JUST WOW PEOPLE ARE SO BLIND BY ALL THIS. Of course, if he had info that only the perp would know Admission has long since been disregarded without corroborative evidence. The only thing that has changed since this case is the ability of people to access and proclaim crackpot ideas, conspiracies, and all the rest. Said showed no emotion as the verdict was read. Im a hunter and in the spring I have found many dead deer that died from starvation or other reasons and the bodies are untouched. Watch Wrong Man season 2, and then come back and make comment. Just one example. My biggest issue is the day the phone call came in, and the fact that the prosecutor deliberately misrepresented the facts. And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. Soon after, Kopta lost her job because she was seeing things and her behavior was disruptive, and then she began to walk the streets to spread her message. Some lawyers call microscopic hair analysis junk science that today wouldnt qualify as evidence in a trial like Rorrers. So we can just pretend that everyone is honest all of the time? Lead Prosecutor Lauren Black called Said a true narcissist who believed he was smarter than everybody else. Were suppose to ignore the actual forensic evidence and forensic opinions because we were told that a cop overheard her claiming she confessed? All my comments have been vetted and approved by this sites organisers so how do you see yourself as the judge of whats acceptable or not? It was a very big shock to see to know that she was still alive. Narcissistic and violent tendencies are very common. DALLAS Yaser Said, once listed as one of the most wanted men in America, has been found guilty of killing his two teenage daughters. After one bullet didnt kill Joann, the gun locked up, so Patricia had to beat her to death, according to the prosecution. Did they ever determine cause of death in the baby? Family members found Joanns tan Toyota sitting vacant in the parking lot of McCartys, a nearby bar. Yaser had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014, according to CBS. Or did they? Cop defends accused. She would also have no heart when it comes to children, not even her own. "Yaser Said, you're a devil. Patricia Owens, That phone call came in on December 7, 1994. Alfey went on to say that he noticed that the woman hosting the model home was following them very closely the whole time that they were there. And your attempt to draw a distinction between a fact and an opinion! MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. So would judge and jury say. Instead of presenting hard facts, all I see are words and phrases that are purely speculative.. such as perhaps. Prosecutor pounds away. If you can tear yourself away from your obsessive mentality, you can see what virtually amounts to the tampering to which I referred. And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded.. Your somewhat convoluted explanation of discuss and express opinion, seems to ramble on and on without any logic or reason. Jenkins' violent death shocked residents of the Northeast Kingdom, including Gerta Blasczyk of St. Johnsbury. She was bubbly and likable, not disgruntled, according to friend Kathy Barber, who visited her friend in jail. The couple was not allowed to have contact during court proceedings. Despite the fact it has never been proved thats exactly how it happened, it seems to be accepted as fact it could just as possibly have been the other way round, beaten and then shot.