This entire article reads like those oh-so-learned-sounding pieces that explain why women are simply not suited to traditionally male jobs, or why Black Americans by design and selection are simply not suitable for the sciences or for generic corporate America, and should stick to sports and physical labor. Although my name has awarded me a lot of great opportunities because it looks great on paper; Im a 60 tall African American from GEORGIA .I HAD TO KNOW!!!!!!! @wolfsilveroak I suggest you re-read the book. American blues guitarist B. The Irish and Scots-Irish did indeed own slaves in America and many of their emancipated slaves took their surname. English actress, singer, and television personality Claire Sweeney is the most famous person with the surname Sweeney. When they came to America they where made to take the last name of the slave owner. In fact, some African tribal leaders were profited from the slave trade by allowing and assisting slave traders in raiding their enemies land. Sons James Catholic bishop of Pirtland Maine Patrick Jesuit priest who made Georgetown University. The argument is as follows: the Irish had an advantage because of their skin color. In this way of debate it subdivides the issue of slavery in degrees of worse and worse-er. Though slavery did and still occurs worldwide, chattel slavery was an American created tradition whereby the condition of the mother indicated whether or not a child was born free or enslaved. The same empire founded the North American Colonies. Although I reject the implications of these labels, for the sake of the argument and simplicity, Ill continue to use them. Gaelic would not have been understood any more than African languages in the new world. We need to revisit the discussion from a fresh perspective. Black Irish Books, publishing house of American author Steven Pressfield. If you dont think so then sign over your person to an employer for a while and tell me if that feels like service. The Anglo-Saxon offspring he openly acknowledged. All Caucasians are Edomites. Physical race traits such as skin color were used much later as a justification for slavery, not a motivation to start it. She has travelled Europe, Africa, America, Asia and Australia and still claims that wanderlust tempts her daily. Blacks could not blend in to normal society because most Blacks where slaves and most were not educated and they were not accepted in major segments of the country as entirely human. There has been slavery of some form for as long as humans have been homosapiens. By calling yourself African-American you are still claiming to come from two so-called white men. Today the language is making a comeback. It seems more likely that "Black Irish" is a descriptive term rather than an inherited characteristic that has been applied to various categories of Irish people over the centuries. So it comes as no surprise that no matter where you go, you tend to run into classic Irish names. You cannot water down the mistreament of black slaves and the CONTINUED systematic/institutional oppression of black people. What Im saying is that youre complete idiot.) I always wondered why so many African Americans had the same last name as I did when I was single. Connolly 24. Adam and Eve are my ancestors as well as yours DNA has proven that we all tie to the original humans they lived in Africa. Thats what the bulk of my Irish ancestors really were: Scottish, English, Cornish, etc. From a real Irish person, who didnt get shipped over to America but whos ancestors have fought against the oppression of Britannia and ultimately Rome (the Pope) for over 800years. 14 1 Fiona Hawkins Reblogged this on Eccentric and Bent and commented: And the traditional double-standard was upheld even there, because as long as it was circumspect and everyone turned a blind eye, it was still common, un-punished behavior for White males to rape or copulate with African females, but a blasphemous abomination for a white woman to voluntarily have relations with an African man, and could result in death for both. Nile of the nine hostages was a bit of a devil. As a South African, I know slavery was never just of the African people. Notable Hughes include American business magnate Howard Hughes, and poet and activist Langston Hughes. Something to keep in mind as you read. Condem slavery not the people trying to highlight history. Each induvial from different areas of the continent have unique differences. By the time we reach the 1600s the non roman Europeans have been assimilated into a romanic style world where most are commonly white (although this seemed to exclude the irish who were treated very badly and if they werent forced into servitude died of starvation or spent their lives as serfs). in 1697 John Locke recommended the whipping of those who refused to work and the herding of beggars into workhouses. The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. Africa was named after a so-called white man by the name of Scipio Africanus. Ireland Before You Die (IB4UD) is the biggest Irish travel and culture website. everyone in my family has Irish last names and when looking at my family tree, the ones who are listed as mulattoes in my family have no father listed, but have their mother listed as negro. A few known facts and a few overstated kernels of truth give a false, gleaming varnish of Truth Exposed when twisted around implications and presumptions based on false logic, when theyre confidently stated as reality, and lead the non-critical reader to unquestioningly believe exactly what the writer has skewed their words to lead them to believe. All Irish were given English translated names and forced to use them. If you cant even get that right!!!! Thus, Irish moms, even with this new found emancipation, would seldom abandon their kids and would remain in servitude. 5,377 families had this name and they were mainly based in County Cork, Kerry, and neighbouring counties. Meaning: Son of the blacksmith. Dunne 28. Not Wikipedia, or self proclaimed historians with B.S. Yes they did. Reblogged this on Simply Etta D. and commented: Their original homeland was Monaghan, where their surname is still the most common. (Thanks to Mike McCormick of the. One of the most famous people with the surname Burke is American actor Robert Burke. The Irish language was systematically eliminated in Ireland until the resurgence in the 1920s. So whats my point; well its not to minimize the history of Black slaves. The term 'Black Irish' gets thrown around from time to time. The Vikings were often referred to as the "dark invaders" or "black foreigners." We respect your privacy and take protecting it seriously, How to plan a trip to Ireland (in 9 steps), Irish boy names that nobody can pronounce. Rich in history and proud in its Celtic roots, the Irish identity is worn like a badge of honour. The Normans were dark in complexion, often with dark hair and eyes. it made things a whole lot easier to change their names. Were Irish babies sold to another people as black babies were sold to white slave owners? The Cromwell era, which saw a few thousand Irish servants brought to Barbados, is where most of this false narrative is focusing on. I wonder if the Irish will be told to get over it already the same way African Americans and Canadians are told. Have you met Jesus . If they committed a crime that warranted jail time, they deserved the sentence. Maybe its time we stop fighting with each other and start learning from each other? Copyright 2023 Irish Studio LLC All rights reserved. Variant of Doherty. I dont know why white people are in such a hurry to prove theyre oppressed but this just isnt true. We are Irish from the north of Ireland. Origins of the Most Common Irish Surnames and First Names. Updated in 2022. O'Brien 7. The field needs to be tilted in the other direction for a few decades before we can be on level ground. The phrase "Black Irish" has been in use for hundreds of years, and several brands of Irish whiskey. And, yes, African tribes did it as well! Am Afro-American. Dirst the Spaniards/Portuguese outlawed enslaving Christians long before British had slaves in the Americas. And why so many Georgians have stories about helping that White boy run to the mountains. Gee, did the Irish ever make whisky? Whether the stereotype is based on truth or not, I have no personal knowledge. This slave trade, and the bigotry in the past and now, is very complicated issues; dont oversimplify them by making it an issue of Black vs White. I would like to recommend Peoples History of the United States by Howard Zinn to anyone who is interested in this type of hidden history. As things evolved though the change from indentured to enslaved came in a big way because of the darker skin tone making it easier to identify runaways and the popularity of black Africans entering a lifetime period of slavery is why indentured servitude was replaced with full on actual slavery. Doyle Irish. Doing so further divides races and intimates that being white is bad and that youre somehow guilty of past crimes. Therefore, this is a moot point and if youve somehow drawn that conclusion on your own, it speaks more to your intellect and character than true facts. I am sure that the Irish were treated as less than other white settlers, but to say their treatment was equal to or worse than the treatment of African slaves is not probable. Im getting pretty sick of people (of all races) whitewashing the oppression of the Irish from history because it doesnt fit with the white skin = oppressors, everyone else = victims narrative. This reveals another cruel and inhumane treatment of the human family towards each other. Thanks for your research. A slave was property and could be killed if the owner chose to do so. Walsh Irish spelling: Breathnach Meaning: Welshman. Its a shame that people can create whole new histories. Where the Black Irish really came from and no, it wasnt the Spanish Armada, Mariah Careys Black Irish liquor cannot be sold in Ireland due to legal battle, International Irish Coffee Day: The history and recipe of Irish coffee. Erm, just a thought, but most Irish of the day would have had some knowledge of English, or been fluent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_people#Black_Irish Famous ONeills include Eugene ONeill, who was the only American playwright to ever receive the Nobel Prize for Literature. Once they were accepted as white around the Depression, they quickly became as racist as any other white person during that time and hurriedly left the neighborhoods they were living in with Blacks. Walsh (35358) 4. I assume many of the ones the worked side by side with the Irish slaves used their last name in hopes of not being made to take the slave owners name. This country was built on slavery of Asians, Indians, and Africans followed by the systematic oppression of those people by the English and Dutch. The potato blight which destroyed the main source of sustenance turned the vital food black. Abraham Agan Agnew Ahearn Ahern Aherne Anglim Anglin Ansbro Argue Armstrong Art Ashe Athey Athy Baldwin Balfe Ballagh Bane Banfield Banfill The term "black Irish" refers to persons of Irish descent who are . You could have provided the information minus the dishonest comparison if the facts of the story are accurate. Quinn 20. Aztecs and Mayans were no exception. A less cruel owner with black slaves who do not forget were more valuable, would treat them better than a meaner person with Irish, and visa versa. This type if reporting saddens me and is quite irresponsible. It is possible that the arrival of large numbers of Irish after the famine into America, Canada, Australia, and beyond resulted in their being labeled as "black" in that they escaped from this new kind of black death. Two of the most famous Gallaghers are brothers and bandmates of Oasis fame, Liam and Noel Gallagher. The most famous person with the surname Power is American film, stage, and radio actor Tyrone Power. Do you still have your list of sources? My grandmother had told me this when I was a little girl, If you come from a family who is of mixed race, and they know the old family school and is not afraid to tell you, cause this was known but your not suppose to talk about it..but I always knew cause of the red hair, but eyes and freckles..the freckles are a sure sign my grandma would say..I learned sp much from her said she wasnt allowed to talk are educate anyone of it, once my grandfather died she told everything..she was a Creole borne in Baton Rouge La. The subject of Irish slavery is not spoken about too much. It's quite popular in Scotland. I am quite sure that being held against you will is inhumane regardless of your color or religion. During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. Could they have not read the plight of slaves in the newspaper? The article is pointing the finger at the British Empire. I am a Kyle from Scotland I am scotch-Irish they were indentured servants and free men. Thank you. Dont forget modern recorded history versus older nonrecorded history or minutely recorded history. Were these apprentices chattel? It was also used in Ireland by Catholics in Ulster Province as a derogatory term to describe the Protestant Planters. Not only are the facts part of the story but so is the comparison. Second, there was intermarriage in the caribbean with descendents from the cromwellian slave trade of the Irish and African slaves. Ryan is a popular surname in County Tipperary. Subscribe to our mailing list and get interesting stuff and updates to your email inbox. That is less than the African migration per decade to the United States today. Shame on you. I am a Jamaican and I do know, based on teaching, that whites were experimented as slaves for a short period; however they failed to be productive in the climate and harsh conditions. Famous Reids include actress Tara Reid, TV presenter Susanna Reid, and retired American attorney Harry Reid. Slavery of some form exists now. Having the last name Kelly seems to place me directly in the cross hairs of this discussion. a male black slave cannot transfer an Irish last name.so it would have had to be a male Irish slave mating with an African slave women who would not have been the owner of the slave child , it would have to have the name of the white owner, so riddle us that?? Black (surname) Black is a surname which can be of either English, Scottish, Irish or French origin. I was slapped on the hands with a ruler as she demanded, screaming , and hitting me,!! This practice of interbreeding Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed forbidding the practice of mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of producing slaves for sale. In short, it was stopped only because it interfered with the profits of a large slave transport company. could not agree more british took irish men in the 70s and 80s in belfast beat and tortured them the british government was later charged with crimes of humanity by the european courts. The powers that be, have kept a lot of the truth where history covered up because, its all so ugly as well as in humane!!!!!!!! Norman-Catholic gentry? The mass exodus from Ireland has been a result of famine, war, and conflict throughout Irelands history. Whole towns disappeared into the MIddle East and North Africa as a result. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves. In part, bigotry came into play in order to ease the conciseness of individuals who partook of the benefits of slavery. I am tired of the Irish and their historical lies!!!!! One of them reached his 7 year mark, and went to work on another mans farm. They were dictators and if they felt it to their advantage theyd sell off members of their own tribe and simply call it their right as ruler. In June 2020, Darker Still Spirits . Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our memories. 4. This is a larger issue that could unify people against those who are demonically possessed but still call shots. The slave owners of my ancestors were Dingles. This regard of history and overall attitude only serves to further perpetuate the divide between skin color and bigotry. Thats the type of history that should be taught in schools. It is said that the first family of Black were converted to Christianity by Paulinus, the head of the family being Prefect of Lincoln, about 628. there is another book to read; which indicates that the so-called American Revolution was spurred on by slave revolts in the west indies. I had learned of indentured servitude among the Europeans. As English rule in Ireland intensified at this time, it became increasingly difficult to find work if you had an Irish sounding name. They served for an agreed amount of time (usually seven years), the agreements were not always honored. If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. I am in no way minimizing the African slave part of history, it is through this history of the Irish to say we can relate and understand an awful part of human history. They can still go back to Ireland and see where they came from and even meet distant cousins. It doesnt matter how well you claim they were treated nor what advantage you say they had by the color of their skin. What I will do is to remind you that GOD gave us all an ability that sets us apart from lower animals and that is the ability to reason, use common sense instead of instinct, as lower animals do. But you will find out the truth when JESUS comes back to reign for a thousand years to teach his people the truth, because they have been believing a lie about a rapture theory. Best we can all do is read. The Irish landowners where Protestant and therefore considered British. 3) even if they were 100,000 Irish slaves (which there were not) how dare you attempt to chastise us for talking about the African holocaust? Irish was not even a nationality at the time Catholic hovel living tenant farmers who couldnt vote, couldnt hold office, were taxed for their religious beliefs, couldnt pass the land to their children, couldnt learn in Catholic schools, had their language officially prohibited, subsisted on the potato, and were largely ignored when they were starving to death by their ruling government (Britain), evicted from their homes, sent off to die in the workhouses of Ireland, women shipped out in the scheme of assisted emigration, did I forget something? The Irish may have been treated like shit way back when, but nobody sold even one of them. Is what happend to the Irish also a fulfillment of prophecy? O'Neill 11. The Irish Catholics did not not migrate voluntarily to the Americas until the 1850s when the Irish Potato Famine hit their country. Paris Donnatella is an avid writer and traveller. The most common Irish surnames in Ireland haven't changed much for a century. The Essex Institute: Salem, 1912. Very few are disputing that the British were horrific to the Irish, and to some extent, the Scottish as well. Africans were renamed, what about the irish? The latter he did not. Get your heads out of your collective asses and out of all those others. There is little evidence to support this theory and it is unlikely that any significant number of Spanish soldiers would have survived long in the war-torn place that was 16th century Ireland. .werenot left out..some of those babies are in their 80ts 90ths now..but the whites in this categories are ashamed and dont talk about it..the kkk originated from the fear of free slaves coming to take their jobs..as some black slaves were doing better than the indentured servants. This is sometimes used to by Irish to distance themselves from the slaveholdinhs in America. We highlight the most inspiring experiences Ireland has to offer. My last name is Dingle. Nevertheless, from research, it appears the most likely reason for this term in Irish culture is to describe an intent as dark invaders or black foreigners of the Irish country.